Perhaps Paul Hawken can recall the time several years ago we spoke by telephone. As I recall, it was in the earliest years of Century XXI. At that time I expressed my thanks for the inspiration his work was giving to my own work......The AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001. Wiser Earth is engaged in some of the most difficult work occurring our time by calling out for intellectual honesty, moral courage, personal accountability and for open speech about what is somehow true as each of us is given 'the lights' to see what could possibly be real. Are these distinctly human characteristics not at least some of the personal hallmarks of wisdom? Perhaps the difficult work that the Wiser Earth community is doing so well can be advanced now here. Can members of Wiser Earth please point to one piece of scientific research by a population biologist, human ecologist or demographer you respect that adequately challenges the evidence of Hopfenberg and Pimentel: that human population dynamics is essentially similar to the population dynamics of other species...both great and small? Many too many experts have not yet so much as advanced to the point where they acknowledge this single point. Their research uniformly uses psuedoscientific or, should I say, unscientific evidence for explaining, however unnaturally and unpersuasively, that human population dynamics is different from the population dynamics of non-human species. What many experts have been referring to for many years as 'scientific' evidence is directly contradicted by unchallenged scientific research of Russell Hopfenberg and David Pimentel. Something is very wrong. I believe experts in demography, for example, are best situated with the economists, whose work is fundamentally induced and driven by ideology, not science. I would like to argue that what passes for a 'scientific' foundation in both demography and economics is not, definitely not science. There are others than myself who have already pointed out that demography and economics are basically ideological-forced, human inventions and, therefore, basically flawed just as are any other manmade designs and constructions now present within our planetary home. The Creation is the appropriate focus of science; manmade works are objects of inquiry within domains like demography and economics, I believe. There is a wondrous effort being made by the Wiser Earth community. Thank to all of you for being there just as you are. The demographers and not unexpectedly the economists are nowhere to be found in discussions of this kind. Silence has been perversely allowed not only to prevail but also to vanquish science. I am 65 years old. During that time it appears to me that experts in human population dynamics and human overpopulation of the Earth have not seen, and if they have seen, not reported the best available science of human population dynamics. Many have permitted admitted complexity in the world we inhabit to blind them from the sight of something comparatively simple. They seem to have paid careful attention to 'the trees' and lost sight of the bigger and simpler picture, 'the forest'. They carefully examined human reproduction in this place or that; but they failed time after time to so much as look at population dynamics leading to the propagation of 3+ billion additional human beings joining the family of humanity in my lifetime. Human population numbers have more than doubled in the past 65 years. With something having such profound implications happening before our eyes, how has this research not sensibly be done. It appears that we are called upon to do this difficult work. If experts do see what we have been discussing and yet refuse to speak, then that appears to me as a cover-up of science with silence. Sincerely, Steve